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Sportbikes / Re: 2006 ZS250-5 Bike won't go over 60 mph?
« on: May 21, 2011, 02:41:40 AM »
If you live in the USA then your best bet will be the ZOngshen America website. If they don't have the manual then its probably not available. Click on their "contact us" tab.
Also, the top speed of this bike is similar to an equivalent single cyl 250cc bike produced by Yamaha and Honda etc, so about 80mph is the max you will get from this machine in stock form.

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Sportbikes / Re: 2006 ZS250-5 Bike won't go over 60 mph?
« on: May 17, 2011, 07:29:46 PM »
Sounds a bit lke this guys problem. Follow the link.
http://zongshenforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=186.0

PS Seeing your bike is actually a cruiser style , it may be worth re-entering this problem under the "Cruiser" heading in the forum. 

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Sportbikes / Re: CDI box testing?
« on: April 28, 2011, 05:07:55 PM »
hey guys i have z200gs have it for 3years now..the guys from the dealer sold me a new cdi way back july 2009 worked well for only 6months, now my bike will only start if i use the kick..i don't know if it's the cdi or the battery that has a problem.. :(
Sounds like the battery to me. A multimeter across the battery should show better than 12 volts with the engine off and more like 14volts with it running. If the CDI was faulty the engine wouldn't be running after it was kick started.

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Sportbikes / Re: CDI box testing?
« on: April 28, 2011, 05:01:00 PM »
After looking through quite a few other threads, it seems to be a common issue that the CDI box needs to be replaced. Is it possible that the CDI box was damaged when the jumper cables were hooked up backwards? Does anyone know of a way to test the CDI box? Thanks

I think it would be more accurate to say that the CDI is easily damaged by connecting the power leads up the wrong way round. As it stands, the starter is working and the battery must still be OK and theres no spark. Unfortunately, CDI's are polarity sensitive so it was almost definitely damaged by the jumper leads being connected the wrong way round.
I think you've proved that so I'd be looking for a new CDI module.

PS And by the way....don't forget to hold in the clutch lever and lift the side stand before trying to start on this bike. That also prevents spark.

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Sportbikes / Re: 45mph top speed on 250?
« on: March 09, 2011, 02:30:23 AM »
Just something to check that may help:
1. Whats the fuel filter like in the tank? Is it clean now?
2. Try "reading" the plug. You should get a idea of whether its running rich or lean. Or if its wet,etc.
3. Did you check your air cleaner. If theres a lot of oil in the overflow, you may have a overoiled foam filter. Maybe clean and reoil it with a FEW drops of oil.  
4. Check for overfilled oil in sump. PUll the bike up dead vertical and note the oil level is BETWEEN the high and low marks. If too high drain it out and refill. With a 2nd hand bike, best change oil anyway and definitely check the oil filter . (Some riders previosly mentioned they werent aware of the location of the main filter.) On a low mileage bike thats just run in there will be plenty of gunk on the filter medium-enough to clog it right up!.
5. Check for air leaks around carb clamps etc. (WD40 sprayed on inlet and outlet clamps to check for air leaks.)

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Sportbikes / Re: Bike cuts out after redlining
« on: December 10, 2010, 01:54:07 AM »
My guess is that the techy thinks you are going up too much with the jet sizes and has suggested u try raising the float level (did u write float bowl in error?) to get the mix a bit richer. If you fouled the plug up though you're already too big on the main jet (-if the floats level is now right-). Do you think you've got the floats right now? If so, you need to start the rejetting over again coz your floats were set too low prior to starting the rejet.
At this point it might be worth checking for small air leaks around the carby eg inlet and outlet clamps. Minor leaks may be causing extra air to be introduced into the system and leaning the mixture out. Can be checked by spraying a good layer of wd40 around the joints while the engine is running and listen out for any change in revs which would indicate a leak has been temporarily plugged by the wd40.   
Otherwise, keep going with the techs suggestions.

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Sportbikes / Re: Bike cuts out after redlining
« on: December 04, 2010, 06:59:52 PM »
That jet sizing sounds like you're getting way too big for the mods you've done so far. Those mods probably mean you only want to go up one or two jet sizes to get best fuel/air mix.  I think the Teikei jets go up in size from 132 to 135 to 138. In theory I think a 138 would be max to try. Though the 150 you used may not be a Teikei jet, in which case the sizing rule doesn't apply. The problem is that jets by other carb manufacturers don't correspond to our jet sizes exactly and the thread pitch can be slightly different,( but theywill fit at a pinch).  For example, MIkuni carbs jet #132 won't be the same as a Teikei #132. A TEikei #150 jet though is about 5 or 6 sizes up from the stock 132.

Anyway,  sigma should be the best ones to sort this out as I haven't tried rejetting yet. Hope you can get it all sorted soon.

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Sportbikes / Re: Battery Issue
« on: December 03, 2010, 04:54:03 PM »
Just reading that comment re 4000rpm mark being the minimum revs to start charging sounds exactly the same as mine when the rectifier connector was unplugged. After i removed the seat one day i had somehow left the connector plug undone or partly unplugged. I then went for a quick drive and noticed my red charge light was on all the time at idle and didn't really go out until the engine revs were up -about 4000rpm. I knew this was way too high so i rechecked under the seat. Thats when i found the connector was unplugged.
In any case, even if u ride with headlight on, the charging light should go off at closer to 2000. Apart from when i had the fault, i've never seen the charge light come on above 2000rpm. Otherwise it sounds a lot like a fault in the charge cct.

There's a website i found that may be useful if you decide to test for faults in the charge cct. It's at this link: http://www.electrosport.com/

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Sportbikes / Re: Bike Cut Out after starting
« on: November 27, 2010, 08:11:14 PM »
Wondering if you fixed your issue yet or have u packed it up for winter?
Just one other simple check for you though is I notice you seem to not like the cutout switch in the kickstand so you tied it out. Is that so you can start without sitting on the bike? If so don't forget there is also a no-start switch built into the clutch, so you need to pull the clutch in to get a spark going.

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Sportbikes / Re: ZS250 GS cutting out strangely
« on: November 05, 2010, 04:02:54 PM »
Too high a fuel level in the float chamber will cause rich mixture/flooding.

I just had a look at that 6sigma racing mod kit. Sounds like the way to go. They've got kits for just about every bike on the street there- but most importantly, one for the zong! If they live up to their claims they provide a complete carb kit with everything you need and after sales advice, phone help etc and full instructions with a money back guarantee. For $60 it may be better to order their kit rather than looking around for individual parts from a whole lot of different sources. I notice they ask you to provide details of the mods youve done so they can tailor the kit to your bike exactly. Definitely better than trial and error doing one thing at a time. Could save a lot of time.

As for running rich, this might work: Run the engine with some load , like uphill within the 1/2 to WOT range and watch for any hesitation or stumbling or bogging. When you find poor running, pull off the road and pull the spark plug out and check the plug for fouling on the center electrode. That insulator may be white if its running lean at that point. But if its rich it will be sooty or carbon fouled. Thats how i'd try to test for rich running. THe plug should tell you. By the way, dont forget to pull the plug before starting the test run. Make sure its nice and clean and gapped to 0.6-0.7mm or whatever your manual says.

Those other mods you mention like cutting the diaphragm spring and drilling holes in the slide etc,,--Ive not heard of those mod. Put it this way, sigma seem to know whats required for our carb and bikes taking into account the mods you've made, whereas the info about drilling holes in the slide etc is probably not a solution specifically for our Teikei CV carb. So i say go with the kit.

      

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Sportbikes / Re: ZS250 GS cutting out strangely
« on: November 04, 2010, 07:47:11 PM »
How did u go there-did u get anywhere with the plug reading? I think u need to confirm the high speed cct is running rich or lean before doing anything else. If it is lean you might hear it popping from the exhaust as you backoff the throttle running down hill for example. Somewhere above 3/4 throttle to WOT the needle is fully out of the MAinjet so this is the high speed cct range to test in.

As for the idle adjust, yeah i think the idle fuel screw is factory plugged. As you say, you may need to remove the plug.

And yes again to   "if the low speed circuit were rich, it would be easier to start cold correct?" But what i mean is it will start without the choke being used when the engine is dead cold. That will mean that the fuel supply at idle is rich already so no choke required to cold start. I reckon you WILL need choke at cold start with your mods 'cause its probably running lean in the 0-1/4 throttle range ie the low speed cct.

If your generally running lean, with popping and backfiring youll probably wreck the engine soon if you keep riding it for extended periods. It's better to run it on the rich side rather than lean. Did you move the clip DOWN a notch or two. The stock position is slot 3 ie right in the middle slot. Slot One here is the top, wide end of the needle. Try slot 4 or 5. Lets see what happens there.

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Sportbikes / Re: ZS250 GS cutting out strangely
« on: November 03, 2010, 07:02:00 PM »
My bike is completely stock, so anything i say here is only guessing .

What makes u think the float bowl is emptying too quick? I can't see how the increased airflow you've created could alter the air/fuel ratio that much that you could drain the bowl. The needle and seat setup in the float bowl will easily compensate for the extra fuel you might be using after altering the needle clip height. If the fuel is too low then you may have a partly blocked fuel line or clogged screen in the fuel tank. Maybe check that.

If the carb is getting the fuel ok then what i think may be happening is as the engine comes rapidly off high revs, the mix goes briefly too lean, stalling the engine because the low speed carb circuit (pilot jet inside the float bowl) is too small for the increased air flow at low revs.  

I think you need to read the plug color, as you mentioned you were doing, to find out what the high speed circuit is doing (rich or lean or ok). Then the same for the low speed circuit. Drive at high revs for 5 mins, hit the kill switch and pull in the clutch. Pull over and check the plug. From your earlier post it sounds like the fuel is lean, popping and stuttering, You'd expect that after your K&N filter and new pipe. Then drive around for 5 mins at low speed, say less than 3000rpm and stop engine and check plug color.

Another quik test is :When the engine stalls after being warmed up fully does it restart better by pulling the choke on a bit? If so it sounds like it is lean at low speeds so the rejet of the pilot may be the way to go. Also, can you start the engine from dead cold without the choke? That could indicate the low speed circuit is too rich.

If you need to get new jets they should only cost a few dollars each, but where you  get them from I don't know.  May be best to check with a carb or bike shop there. Our bikes use TK (Teikei) carbs (type=MV30P-1J on mine) that are similar to the carb used on the Yamaha TW200 bikes - but they use a TK MV28 carb. So Yamaha dealers may be a source for parts. There is a US (Ohio?) website, http://www.endlessjourneycycles.net/  has a few posts about rejetting and general carby stuff. It may be worth ringing this guy for advice based on experience. Otherwise you may just spend a lot of cash and time and end up with a badly running bike.

Re the jet size, should be stamped on the jets, hopefully. May need a magnifying glass. I think someone put a post on this site about the jets but i can't find it.

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Sportbikes / Re: ZS250 GS cutting out strangely
« on: November 02, 2010, 06:32:25 AM »
No more cutting out at high engine speeds, at least not while it's warm.  I took the carb off yet again and adjusted the float very slightly.. I also turned the main jet 1 and a half turns out, it was all the way in before and it would cause the lean condition at high revs.  So now i am at the top clip for the needle, idle screw about three turns out and main jet 1 and a half turns out.  This setup seems to be the sweet spot with my K&N filter and debaffled exhaust.
Seems like your having a few probs since the new setup. I don't see what exactly you mean here by "main jet was fully in and is now out 1.5 turns". From memory when i pulled the carb apart, there is a main jet that is affected by the slide position, which in the case of these CV type carbs has a needle operated from the venturi air pressure. The throttle doesnt act on the needle directly like with normal slide carbs. The main jet is screwed down fully and is not to be unscrewed otherwise it will vibrate its way out and cause big problems. Next to the main jet is a pilot jet-also firmly screwed in. These two jets can only be replaced. You mustnt unscrew them and leave them loose.

 On the outside of the carb is a small spring loaded idle speed adjustment screw, that should be turned out about 2 turns from the "fully in" position and adjusted for the low speed running. It won't affect the high speed running.  

With your new setup the normal condition due to the unrestricted air flow filter and exhaust pipe would probably mean the mixture is now leaned up. Moving the clip UP is making it more lean.
    

I would have thought you would maybe need to alter the clip position a notch or so in the Down direction, but probably will need to richen up the mix by rejetting (the main jet) for a slightly bigger, maybe 1 size up only to get the right high speed running.

By the way, when you pulled the carb out did you check the diaphragm is installed ok with no gaps around the edges and no perforations? Apparently that can be a source of problems in the medium and high speed setup.

P.S. yeah your bike looks neat in black from your pic there. I notice in US they only sell one color-silver.
Down in Asia they paint them in Silver, Blue or Red but that black color u did looks ok from the distance. Is the finish nice and smooth or did u get runs in the paint?

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Sportbikes / Re: Front Brake Rotors
« on: October 30, 2010, 07:36:02 PM »
I think that type of wear is typical of all discs. Mine is the same. Car is also the same wear pattern. So I wouldn't try to fix anything. Just watch for disc runout or fluid leaks. Mines done about 6000 mile and the disc is barely showing any wear. Pads are about quarter worn. No complaints about brakes.

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Sportbikes / Re: grinding/squealing noise
« on: October 30, 2010, 07:29:30 PM »
Does it happen with light brake applications only? If so it might be a slight warped disc or uneven pressure on both discs at the same time. I have noticed something like what you mention but only on light brake application. It doesn't affect the braking in any way. The noise on mine has now stopped.

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